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Both District 67 Referendums Fail
The facilities referendum lost by only 21 votes; results came in after midnight.
Voters rejected both of Golf School District 67's referendum requests Tuesday, and parents and supporters who had gathered to watch election returns said they'll have to try again.
One of the questions on the ballot asked voters to approve funding facilities (buildings and grounds) and the other question asked for money for operations (staffing, etc.).
For a time, from about 11 p.m. until midnight, it looked like the facilities referendum might pass. It had only a seven-vote deficit, with one more precinct left to come in.
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John Frake, one of the referendum supporters who gathered at Giordano's to watch returns come in, said at that point he thought it could still win.
When that precinct finally reported results after midnight, they defeated the referendum by 21 votes. The tally was 639 against, 618 in favor.
The operations referendum lost by a wider margin, 662 to 553.
"I'm sure this (a referendum) will happen again. It's too important to let go of," said Kristina Otte, one of the supporters. "We all have kids in school. They all need to be in a safe, protective environment and have programs that will prepare them for high school."
Shawn Phillips, another parent and supporter, noted the results showed a solid base of voters in favor.
"I think we're going to have to redouble our efforts," he said.
Parent Chris Hoffman credited Otte and Frake for their efforts.
"They worked tirelessly on this," she said. "They wanted to make sure everyone knew what the issues were."
Facilities referendum
If it had passed, the facilities referendum would have raised $9.7 million for the school district to make repairs to its two buildings, including heating, cooling and plumbing repairs. It would also have permitted reconfiguration of the building entrances to create better security and build a gym/multi-purpose room at Hynes Elementary School.
For the owner of a home in the Morton Grove portion of District 67, the facilities referendum would annually have raised property taxes $31 per $1,000 of taxes paid.
For the owner of a home in the Niles portion of the district, the facilities referendum would annually have raised property taxes $34 per $1,000 of taxes paid.
Operations referendum
If it had passed, the operations referendum would have raised $1.1 million for the school district, according to its website. The district was asking for the money to maintain its current level of staffing, according to its website.
It would have cost homeowners in the Morton Grove portion of District 67 $47 per $1,000 of property taxes paid, and it would have cost homeowners in the Niles portion of District 67 $51 per $1,000 of property taxes paid.
Cuts are expected
The district's website outlines cuts it expected to make if both referendums failed. They include a reduction in personnel, cuts to programs, a reduction in bus service and other cost-cutting moves.
P S.
8:12 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
This is a huge loss to the community of Morton Grove. We have always been known for having some of the best schools in the state and now we will still have very good schools but the children will now suffer. There will be so many cuts, it will definitely affect their education and school experience. I hope that the people who voted against this will not be too disappointed if their property values decrease because without what is needed, why are people coming to Morton Grove to live? If that in fact does happen, I hope a couple thousand dollar savings in taxes was worth it.
Sincerely,
A very disappointed Morton Grove resident/parent
Gina
8:39 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
They should have thought of that before they gave the teachers a 10% salary increase.
John
9:36 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
One of the highest paId school districts in the area and as a product of district 67 .....some of the worst teachers I have ever had these teachers could care less about the students or morton grove the only work there because of the money......most of them like gilman and some of them do care but from what i have heard they are all gone ......let them cut there pay instead of raise our taxes they make way to much to do a half hearted job
Adam Kohm
9:43 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Hi John.
Sounds like you have had a bad experience, but I have to respectively disagree. D67 has wonderful teachers. Yes, you always have a few bad eggs. However, we have 3 children in the district and we have loved everyone of their teachers. Our children love them and the teachers do truly care about the children. I don't think teachers would do what they do if they didn't firmly believe in educating our children. Have you been in some of these classes? Teachers have to deal with a lot. Yes, there are some budget issues to deal with, but I don't think anyone can personally attack the teachers. While D67 is in a bad way right now, the ONE thing we have going for us are the teachers.
So, let's leave them out of this and tackle the real issues.
John
9:57 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
well unless you went there and seen these teachers first hand for what they are you they put up a great front for parents .....I have lived in Morton Grove my whole life and my family dates back in the town for a long time and MG has gone way down hill ........you could not be more wrong about those teachers you really dont know what your talking about when it comes to them caring ..if you look at the testing scores from kids going from golf to NNHS you will see for yourself how much those kids have to make up when they hit highschool Golf does not work with kids who need help they just sit in the back of the classroom and struggle .....I had a learning disabilty and when I got to highschool they figured it out in less then a year but through hynes and golf I was just some stupid kid that did not pay attention and to this day it still happens yeah those teachers really care they had me from the time I was 5 until the time I was 14 and they did nothing for me or 100's of other kids that came from district 67 open your eyes ......and if I were to bet your kids probably do very well in school there and I am sure they get all the attention from the teachers because of it ......well the kids that really need the help in district 67 dont get it at all and the help the do get doesnt work.......look up the stats with NNHS if you dont believe me ask some of the people in MG that are in there 30's, 40's, 50's or older that went through district 67 and they will tell you the same thing
Adam Kohm
9:58 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Let me revised that. The TWO things we have going for us are the teachers and the parents (who obviously care a lot also).
Adam Kohm
10:03 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
you are right. I have not been in the district for 30-40 years and it sounds like you had a very bad experience. However, I have been in the classrooms and I feel like I know the teachers very well. I've talked with them directly and they are a daily topic of conversation at dinner every night. This may be a generational problem, as special needs detection is much better and a much higher priority in 2013 than it was in the 1980's. That's really all I can say. I don't have any specific experience or data to back up or refute any of your other comments about preparedness for high school. All I do know is that they children do very well on the state achievement tests that I can only imagine are designed to determine the appropriateness and effectiveness of state-wide curriculums. Sorry again to hear about your experience.
Adam Kohm
10:04 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
But I have heard a similar story from another past alumni, so it does seem to have been an issue in the past.
Gina
10:17 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Adam, wait until your kids go to Golf and then you will see how wonderful some of this teachers are. When you have teachers call students stupid in front of the whole class. Yes some are great but we also have some that should retires ASAP.
Adam Kohm
10:21 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Hi Gina. I really hope that doesn't happen. If I were superintendent and that really did happen (in a serious manner), that teacher would be fired immediately. Teaching is about educating. Stupid implies that someone is ignorant or has a harder time learning. This is the entire point of education, so if a teacher shanks their responsibilities and falls back to a comment like that instead of rising to the challenge, I wouldn't want them in my district.
There are always two sides to a story, but I'm just acknowledging that if it is true, you are correct in that they need to go.
Gina
10:34 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Adam, it did happen. Thank god it did not happend to my child, and that is why I did not go in to the Superintended. But my daughter told me that teacher talks down to some kids all the time. I won't say which teacher. But I do hope the parents of those children have gone in and complain. I have also heard the same stories from other students as well. Just wait and see.
John
10:50 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Its just a shame that the people in charge dont do anything about the issues with there teachers .....out of site of mind is not a policy they should have at district 67 .....not going to put good money into a bad district....once the village of the school district makes some changes then I would gldly vote yes and so will my people I take pride in personally changing peoples mind in voting against that bill.....
John
10:56 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Gina thats what i mean and that stuff has stuck with me and people i know our whole lives and will stick with those poor kids as well and nothing will change and it hasnt changed in over 30 years
... .I was even in a classroom that a kid was locked in a closet for acting up ...that teacher is still employed at Golf .....and I saw another student get slapped in the mouth for swearing by a substitute teacher there.... these kids no they did wrong so they dont tell anyone but if I have seen those things I cant be the only alumni from golf that has seen this stuff or heard these stories .....people need to speak up I have sent a letter to the district and the village on three different occasians and never heard a word back .....out of sight out of mind thats the policy for district 67... more people need to come out and speak up about this district maybe then they will do something about it
grandpa
8:40 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Against a well funded union push, the people have spoken.
Adam Kohm
9:02 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
OK, this is now behind us. It's really a shame how this all played out from start to finish. However, we now have to move forward. I really hope the district is now going to be open to ideas to save programs and potentially jobs.
I was surprised that the facilities referendum did better than the operating referendum. It may be simply a result of the fact that it was "cheaper" and people picked it. The really sad thing is that if it would have been a better proposal, it probably would have passed. You could have knocked it down to 5.7 million or so and included the HVAC systems, new plumbing, and even the new gym. If this would have been done, it would have passed based on the election results, and the schools would be getting the new equipment. Things like office configuration were very large budget items that are not necessary. For example, you could accomplish the exact same end result at hynes for 5K instead of 414K. Just add two firedoors (one in each hallway) and then convert nurses office to a pass-through door. DONE. Saves 400K+.
Anyway, I'm sure people are going to want to go back and forth gloating and blaming each other, so when that is all done, let's get to the business of solving the current issues.
Donald India
4:04 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Adam, you continue providing good ideas.
More good ideas need to come forward as 21 votes only means 11 people need to be convinced to vote YES in November.
But as others know, more voters will turn out for the Presidential election which will make it harder to convince the majority of voters.
John
9:42 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
district 67 has been waisting tax dollars for year for as small as the district is they dont need a technological center lol what a joke that things is .....the should combine both schools and use the money from the property sale to do the renovations they want.... the school has some of the least educated and caring teacher in the Niles area .....with over 40% of there students on lunch aide with the schools why their parents have 600,000 dollar home in morton grove ....take your kids off food stamps you dont need it and you are wasting your districts money ......this vote should not have been close I couldnt be happier they lost maybe now they will actually try to do good by those kids for the first time since I can remember .....get your head out of the sand MG and go through district 67 and clean house those lazy teachers need to go
Gina
10:22 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
why do students need Spanish in 7th and 8th grade? they can choose a language in high school. The spanish teacher makes $105,000 a year. The kids need tech. not spanish.
Shawn
10:29 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
As a parent of a child currently in Hynes with another child who graduated from Golf, I can refute your claim that the teachers don't care. Can I say this about every single educator in the district with the full force of my conviction? Of course not. But as an involved parent I know that many of the teachers go above and beyond on a regular basis. I know this because I see them doing it.
You really think that this district is full of parents who have half million dollar homes and put their kids on food stamps? C'mon, let's not dive headlong into the absurdities.
It's obvious from your lack of grammatical competence that there was some issue with your education. With the attitude you hold, I don't dismiss the idea that maybe you were the problem. What a sad and petty man you have to be to gloat at the idea of teachers losing their jobs and children losing programs.
Mary Nelson
10:48 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
absolutely why should the kids be prepared to compete in the global economy? Let's go back to rocks and charcoal so they'll really be ready for the future. The tech lab was outfitted by grants, not your tax dollars, all that will go back to where it came from, oh well you didn't have it so why should they?
John
10:04 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
why put more good money through a bad district its about time the village steps in to make district 67 the best district it can be .....start with fixing the problems you have instead then ask us for money buit if nothing changes then you will never see a penny from the tax payers of MG the ones who have been here our whole lives .....and we are not going anywhere but we can send our kids some where else
Mary Nelson
10:44 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
John - the village won't take over the district, the state will. Imagine this state (which is run so well) coming in and telling you how much you will pay to keep the district going or force it into another district. If the district is forced into another, you'll still owe the money, your property value will drop and the schools will still need to be fixed. Plus you won't have any say in anything, sounds like a great plan to me . . . NOT
John
11:45 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Shawn thats not what I mean at all .....and who cares about my spelling is that really a problem .... I mean come on brother you think that i am talking about every single teacher absolutly not I had some good ones I know that ....and sure I was a problem child and I had issues just like a lot of the kids there right now .... thats my point I was deemed a problem child becuase i had other issues that were never even addressed this is the point I am making that you are missing.....I would never want to see teachers lose there jobs I would want to see the right people to be replaced to help those kids futuresnot to hurt them.... and as far as everyone living in half million dollar homes of course not that is just ridiculous ....but some of those families are asking the district to pay for there lunch and the parents are at chic evans golfing ......that needs to stop.......I am not being petty i dont have children and the fact that I care about the well being of the children in my town should go a long way becuase I will promise you that most people without children in district 67 are not going to care as much as I do but you think I am wrong well thats fine you are intitled to your own opinion and thats what makes america great but you my friend are obtuse to your surrondings .....let me ask you this can you name ever family on your block or down the street .....I could 20 years ago.....if you dont see the changes that have hurt this town you my friend are blind
Shawn
12:02 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Actually, I can name every family on my block. Last year I organized a barbecue for all the families in the townhouse sections closest to me, and since that went well I'm going to try to have a block party this year. I actually believe in community, and in being an active part of the community you live in.
I don't live in Morton Grove, I live in Niles but am in the very tiny part of Niles that is in this district. I have friends that live in Morton Grove(who I met through school and other Morton Grove events, which I regularly take part in because I live so close) and there are many other people like me. I think it is you who need to look more closely.
Glenn Posner
10:26 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Wow....I thought it would be close..but THIS close? Those of you that took part in the process, voting either "up or down"...kudos for taking part in the process. The tiny turnout, 662 "no" vs. 553 "yes" is not exactly an overwhelming mandate considering the many thousands that live in both villages. Apathy appears to be the big winner here. With the exception of a handful of personal attacks and inane analogies, the comment boards after my post, encouraging to vote for this referendum was spirited, civil and cogent. Now layoffs and cutbacks are inevitable. This is a setback, tantamount to throwing out the baby with the bathwater, in my view. But when "grandpa" says "the people have spoken"...you never, ever want to argue with "grandpa."
Donald India
4:12 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
1215 voters is more than usual for a school vote. Usually 300-400 voters turn out in April (odd years) to vote for school board members.
David
10:33 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Individuals that voted against the referendums seem to at least acknowledge that SOME additional funds are needed by the district for repairs. They appear to disagree 1) that ALL of the funds requested by the referendums are really needed and 2) that taxpayers should foot the bill for whatever funds are needed. Can we have a constructive discussion about how to fund what both sides seem to agree are "necessary" items? Do people really think that "cleaning house" of all the teachers (as one commenter put it) would be logistically possible? Something tells me that isn't a real possibility... Would private fundraising be adequate? And if not, what do you propose?
Also, there isn't a lot of direct response to the possibility of declining property values that could result from deteriorating schools. To say things like "they should have thought of that before they did ___ in the past" does not address the underlying problems that we face NOW. We'd all go back in time and correct past mistakes if we could, but unfortunately we're stuck in the present.
What if the district doesn't successfully implement other measures and the quality of the two schools does in fact go down. That seems to at least be in the realm of possibility. And if that happens, and property values take a hit, will avoiding a tax increase have been worth it? I don't have the answers to these questions, just hope that people were at least thinking about them when they voted for or against the referendums.
Adam Kohm
10:40 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
I agree and I think it is a double-sided sword. You pass these referenda, property tax goes up and that does not help home values or housing market. Referenda fail and programs are cut, property values may fall. I don't think it is that clear-cut. There are lots of options in the middle and there needs to be some real thought and openness to change.
There are lots of other problems people are not talking about. Kraft provides approximately 10% of district income and they are closing. People are assuming all will be ok, but until we know what will happen with that land, it is a big unknown. State of IL may pass part or all of teacher pension funding back to districts. If that happens, we are dead in the water. I hope those in power are really thinking about all of this.
Adam Kohm
11:03 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Here's a quote from the Glenview Village President in regards to the Kraft closing:
“Glenview’s schools will not be impacted by the closing because the management center property is included in school districts serving Morton Grove and Niles,” she said. The plant is in Niles Township high School District 219 and Golf Elementary District 67.
I take it as "It is their problem, not ours" and at even a more basic level, it may be a problem.
Adam Kohm
11:17 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
And here is a little bit about the pension issue:
Feb 4, 2012
SPRINGFIELD, Ill. • Making local school districts pay the employers' portion of teacher retirement benefits could save more than $1.3 billion a year for Illinois' stressed state treasury. It also could mean financial ruin for some school districts, school administrators say.
Gov. Pat Quinn, with tentative nods from Democratic legislative leaders, has expressed support for the state shifting its obligation to local districts. It would free up money needed to pay down a huge backlog of bills and to catch up with a decades-long shortchanging of public pension systems.
Donald India
4:23 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
A basic problem with referenda: it is ALL or nothing. So it is impossible to really guage what amount/rate would be acceptable to those who voted NO. The only conclusion that can be made is more did not want the increases than did not.
Now the problem of Kraft closing the facility at Golf and Waukegan is a real threat.
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It is clear the property value will decrease. As that property value decreases the remaining property values will have to be taxed at a higher rate to equal the SAME amount for SD67 until the maximum tax rate is reached. At which time SD67 starts receiving less money thru real estate taxes.
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Now another company could buy/less the facility and returnthe property to a proper value - NOT LIKELY.
If the property is raised to make way for NEW HOMES - be prepared for Glenview 34 to raise the same issues as they did in 1982 and sue to have the children of this area go to GV34 as the property is mostly in Glenview. SD67 loses everything then. In the early 80s the corner Shell station, a Walgreens and a strip mall along Golf (I think Loehman's was there) was all bought by Kraft and demolished. This is the only area within Morton Grove and destined to stay within SD67 and SD219.
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There is NO simple solution and I emphatize with all parents.
Mary Nelson
11:02 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
This district has a fantastic PTA, they've done great things raising funds, like the "Bids for Kids" dinner and auction. Thank you PTA! We as a community need to have an intelligent conversation on how to keep our district the best feeder district to the high school. The current superintendent was hired at significantly less than the previous 3, the principals are some of the lowest paid in the county. Was there waste in the past, yes, is there waste now - NO. When the district can no longer offer any after school activities for the kids, when the best all day kindergarten program is gone and when the kids need to bring water from home to drink and wear their coats in school because the heat doesn't work it's time for the community to join together. We need to keep our house values up, our children educated and our community strong. As for taxes - go look at your tax bill again, it's the high school thats taking so much. When Kraft goes and Avon closes, all the tax payments they made will be shifted to home owners. Keep in mind also that Kraft fought their taxes every year costing the district hundreds of thousands of dollars, Definitely not good corporate citizens, but their stock holders were happy.
Gina
11:14 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
I don't believe Avon is going anywhere. They just spent allot of money to fix up the place and replace equipment. If they were moving I don't think they would have done that. Also about Kraft, they already have plans for that property and the plans are moving along just fine. Read your news paper. Schools have to prove to me they are going to be responsible before I give them any more of my money. Ms Westley make $140,000 a year and the other one makes $128,000. What private sector gives 10% salary increase?
Adam Kohm
11:25 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Plans are to "sell". That's it for now...unless you know more. I would be very interested in any info.
John
11:19 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
well MG should have thought about that when they pushed abt out years ago and mayor krier with his downtown morton grove project that was a bust..... the problem is getting the community together instead of at a drunkling mess carnival that has also went way down in the past years ... .get the community together get the people involved with the town thats the way it used to be thats why morton grove was such a great place to grow up in ....even with the crappy hotels that used to flood waukegan road the town still cared and everyone knew everyone this town has changed and the people in it have changed ......it is time to get back to grass roots what worked before can work again get the community to ban together and things will be a lot different things will get done and people will actually care about there neighbors for once......when was the last time morton grove through a block party ....hmmmm 22 years ago .....I know its hard to close tyhose busy streets of marion and palma lane or over by palma lan park but come on people....lets be honest when you dont know your neighbors or there kids or what the people need then why would you not vote based on money ......because that is all you are going to care about ....just like a major corporations CFO or President that knows nothing about there employees it is all about bottom line and the leadership from education all the way through the village is missing the big picture ....It Should Be about people and what makes MG work .
RBW
3:05 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
we have a block party every summer. for about the past 12 years. no problem getting the street shut down for a saturday afternoon and evening.
Adam Kohm
11:25 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Hey, the Golf Kids 67 group has a lot of great people in it and a lot of energy. Just look at all the vote yes signs that were sprinkled everywhere. Hopefully we can get some of that energy and enthusiasm transitioned into problem-solving now. I have hope!!! Maybe I'm naive, but I believe that there are answers and solutions.
John
11:32 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
but thats the problem its just those families that are involved with district 67 ....or the families were involved with the Library when that was going on the signs in the yards really mean very little driving past them I was like oh they must have a kid in district 67 ....do you really think those same people would have put those signs up if they werent involved in some form or another with district 67 .....how many families in morton grove had signs in there yards about the clerks office election and how many had signs up in there yards for some of the different judges in skokie that effect our every day life ..... the answer my friend is 0 because people in MG gave up caring about their neighbors and are too worried about themselves .....and that my friend is not good for any town especiallyone like Morton Grove
Adam Kohm
11:37 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
John, you need a hug :) Sorry, I can't do it (man card and all). I'm just saying that we need everyone that really cares to get involved. Yes, some people have an agenda and do things for the wrong reasons. But there are some very vocal/passionate people on both sides. The "Vote NO" campaign was very late to start, but it did start. I think we need to get some real "thinkers" involved and hopefully with the cooperation of the school board, we might be able to make some real progress. I'm not saying that there hasn't been a lot of thought put into this already, but we need to take it in a different direction.
Adam Kohm
11:38 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
PS: We helped organize a block party by Palma lane park last fall and it was great. I hope it is an annual event.
John
12:20 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
i guess I would have to agree with everyone on here that has posted obviously you guys care or you wouldnt have been posting on here lol .......shawn and adam def keep up the good work i think we can all agree a good community starts with getting and being involved ... lol i could use a hug hahahah.... but i am just bothered by this town and the way peoples attitudes have changed.....but it is very refreshing to here at least some blocks and people get the picture ......also agreed the state taking over a school district is never good .....but i would like to see the pressure put on the district .....might cause them to really evalute how they have operated over the years
Mr. B.
12:44 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
When I see people in private industry getting no raises for several years and loosing benefits it makes my blood boil when I look at the district's salary structure, wage increases and pension benefits. I wish I could make that kind of money and have summers off and have a guaranteed pension. If the Governor and house speaker have their way, the pension liability will be transferred to the district starting this fall. What do we do then? More tax increases? Again bold ideas are needed including a possible merger with another district. I cannot support "business as usual" throwing more money into the SD 67 furnace. If someone needs to measure the financial health of the village's residents, go to this site and search for Morton Grove under Cook County. You will be amazed at all the properties in the village in or soon to be in foreclosure - http://ilfls.com/index.php
Mary Nelson
1:04 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
I agree with you and I learned in the meeting that the teacher's contract is up next year so hopefully some of that will change. We need to let the board and the teachers know what we expect and need going forward.
Kevin Beiksa
7:54 am on Saturday, March 24, 2012
Don't just wish for it. Get off your butt and do it. Teachers did not write the contracts. They were offered these contracts by board members like India. People put in office by about 300 - 400 voters to quote his numbers. If your blood is boiling so, why don't you do something? These contracts are what the voters (you) signed off on! Duh?
Mary Nelson
12:48 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
My apologies for some of the rants. District 67 is an award winning district and one of the reasons we moved with our 4 children to Morton Grove. The all day kindergarten program is a fantastic educational foundation. I agree some teachers should retire or rethink why they are teaching but the larger majority of them do care and do work hard. District 67 was the first feeder district in Niles township to offer Project Lead the Way and put all the children of this district ahead of the game. I attended some of the information sessions and was amazed at the number of people who did not take the opportunity to find out the what and why of the referenda request. I surely didn't want to pay more taxes but I also don't want the kids to get the short end of the stick either. As Adam said, now is the time for discussion as to what the community wants done and this time if you show up at meetings instead of the blogs your voices and concerns will be heard and addressed.
John
1:15 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
amen mary ....but stats and awards are petty results is what is needed ......first to do something means they try at times but if its broke fix it......have seen how well project lead has gone to this point by chance?.....if not look at the numbers its good but needs tweaking a bit....
Mary Nelson
1:21 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
John, don't worry about tweaking Project Lead the Way. It was one of the nice to haves that will be cut since both referenda failed. It's on the cuts list at the districts website.
Adam Kohm
1:44 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Did you see this thread?
http://niles.patch.com/articles/readers-express-passionate-response-to-district-67-referenda
There is some talk about that. There was a challenge to provide specific proposals also, so I gave 9 off the top of my head, but I agree, there are lots of options out there. I really hope the ax doesn't fly without serious consideration and thought.
Morton Grove Resident
1:45 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Agree with Grandpa. Get rid of Unions as a start. People are tired to pay for mismanagement.
Adam Kohm
2:03 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Actually, if both referenda pass and you factor that total into the cost, it is almost 19K/child. However, there are lots of reasons for that (which I have learned during this process), but it doesn't necessarily mean it is 100% necessary. For example, we are a two building district, so that costs more money. Our teachers average about 10K/year more than park view teachers, but that is due to increased education (number with master's degree) and years of service. Bottomline is our teachers on average have a higher level of advanced training and years on the job which results in a higher average pay. This is good and bad. Seems like we need a salary cap like professional sports teams :).
The teachers knew what they were doing last year when they came out in 100% support of merging the two buildings. That deal (as much as we didn't want another car dealership and a park lost) would have helped immensely.
Adam Kohm
2:09 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
And maybe that is an answer. I know there were issues with the park and the foundation grant it received, but maybe we should really try and figure out if there is any possibility of selling that land and following the merger plan. That would help with the yearly budget, gyms, equipment replacement, etc. I know, this not going to be popular and maybe not legal, but it may be worth a hard look.
Mary Nelson
3:35 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
I was at the meeting where this was proposed, besides the park district encumbering the land without school permission the entire community that came out to the meeting I was at at Hynes was totally against selling Golf. Some how or other we can't have it both ways.
Adam Kohm
3:45 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
I think the community needs to re-think this. I know the homes directly around the park will be particularly unhappy, but if it is possible, I think it is important to re-visit this option. I know there is a grant involved causing issues also, but we could contact that foundation, explain the issue, and offer to rename a park by over by hynes/new building in its honor instead.
Donald India
4:41 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
SD70 sold Borg School in 1989 an used the proceeds to enlarge Parkview into a K-8 one-school campus. They benefit from a great relationship with the Park District to utilize Harrer Park during the school day. In 1989 SD67 sold Hynes but the sale was reversed as the single-family residence zoning in the area did not support multiple family development. The land under Hynes would not support many single family homes as the property is so irregularly shaped.
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It was clear last year and in 1989 that the community supported 2 school buildings.
It is also clear that repairs and maintenance issues need to be addressed.
David wrote this morning "Individuals that voted against the referendums seem to at least acknowledge that SOME additional funds are needed by the district for repairs." If this is true then SD67 needs to do some MARKETING to find out the amount that a majority of voters would find acceptable.
Or maybe an OUT-OF-THE-BOX suggestioin and put MULTIPLE referenda on the November ballot:
Are you in favor of a 0.10 increase? YES NO
Are you in favor of a 0.20 increase? YES NO
Are you in favor of a 0.30 increase? YES NO
Then people could vote for the one(s) they like.
B J gold
3:05 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
As a lifelong morton grove resident, I'd like to state why I voted no to the proposed referendum. I kept hearing from supporters that good schools attract quality residents which, in turn, keep property values high. i believe during the past 15 years or so, District 67 schools have been very highly rated. The neighborhood where I reside, however, has gotten nothing but progressively worse. Multiple family's living in 1 home (why should I pay for their education ?), another couple renting out rooms to college students, taxi drivers, etc. ( cab parked on lawn one evening!). During the winter, they park all over the street so plow can't get thru & I don't have room to even place garbage cans. No matter the result of Tuesday's vote, I don't see ignorant behavior changing, which, in turn, leads to other undesirables coming to Morton Grove.
Donald India
4:50 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Adam - I just read what happened today. What a terrible thing to happen!
Don't let this incident taint your desire to help and continue to give good input.
Adam Kohm
5:09 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
My initial reaction was rage. However, some people are having a very bad day and I need to remember that.
Since I am one of the ones revealing my identity, I want to make this clear.
1. I did follow-through with my pledge and voted YES for operations and NO for facilities.
2. I support my decision 100%. The facilities referendum was unsupportable.
Anyone wishing to talk to me about this can call me or email me at adamk@spltrak.com.
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Glenn Posner
4:08 pm on Sunday, March 25, 2012
Speaking of input, Don, if you feel this paltry voter turnout was
"adequate"...based on past apathetic behavior, then we have more issues at hand than our schools. To live here and not participate is actually worse than a "no" vote for our school's needs.
Donald India
5:13 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Still should not have happened.
Foster1234
8:28 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
I have been a resident of MG for 36 years and I have served the community in multiple ways, including being a part of the Kids67 effort. Our kids went through Hynes and Golf and are now on their own and we fully support the efforts of D67 to maintain a high quality school system. I believe the referenda did not pass because people allowed their emotions to dictate how they voted rather than their common sense. By the way, Mr. India should remember that the settlement between D34 and D67 that gave us the Kraft property was brokered by the corrupt and useless Cook County Superintendent of Public Instruction, an office that thankfully no longer exists. The Kraft property is part of D67 and that is where it will stay barring legal action by D34 that would most certainly be vigorously opposed by D67.
Donald India
1:41 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Do you mean Cook County School Superintendent Richard Martwick?
See: http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2009/07/-supt.html
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Read how sad our school system is and for over 40 years no one knew what to do to fix it.
Golf Student
9:12 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Okay EVERYBODY listen. I'm a student at Golf. I am deeply affected from the result of the referendums not passing. Honestly, bringing the teachers and how they teach and how they treat there students has absolutely NOTHING to do with this. Golf Middle School is GREAT educational wise. We have many problems. Leaking, the lunches, our plumbing and so much more. Every single teacher and staff member CARES for everyone in the whole entire district. Students may not like some teachers and teachers may not like some students, but all the teachers care. And Gina, the teacher your daughter mentioned doesn't try to hurt ANYONE'S feelings. The teacher is a happy, funny, and a out-going person. When the teacher does that, it's so the class can have a good time and still learn everything they need to know. Spanish is necessary at 7th and 8th grade. They need to get used to the Spanish culture and language and also they need to be ready for high school foreign language classes. So my point is Golf and Hynes are both AMAZING schools. But bringing in the teachers in this honestly makes no sense.
Sincerly,
A golf student
Gina
9:06 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
That's because you are no young to know. You don't know which teacher I am talking about. and I don't care how the teacher says it,, they should not be calling any student names."no mater how it was intended. No students don't need "Spanish in 7th grade. What you need is technology. Spanish will not get you a job today, "unless you work for welfare" tech will get you a job. Let your parents make decision as to what you need.
Glenn Posner
4:19 pm on Sunday, March 25, 2012
It's a shame. We fought the good fight. These issues will return, rest assured. They will not go away. No referendum in over 40 years with award winning, highly recognized programs and successes, and we have adults voting their wallets and tossing out the baby with the bathwater. Keep the faith. We have nearly 80,000 families between Niles and MG, with multiple voters in each house, yet a scant 1100 showed up at the polls with the voting nearly divided. Rest easy young person, these issues will be revisited. Often "extra" pork is put in a proposed bill. These are called "earmarks." Perhaps voters felt this referendum had too many "earmarks."
Beth
9:40 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
First let me say to the school employees & board to stop using the kids for their own gain. Telling the kids that they are going to lose after-school programs, athletic programs, clubs, music, to list a few, is just plain sick! Kids should not have to worry about these things. They should be able to focus on studies, and just being kids. Leave them alone!
Second, 67 has always been a great school! I am from the class of "73" , put my 2 kids through Hynes & Golf, and a lifelong resident of Morton Grove. The teachers are great ( there's always an exception to the rule, anywhere you go), it's the administration & board that are the problems!
Before worrying about making the already safe entries into safer entries, how about getting rid of the known cockroaches on the Hynes stage! Yes, they are running around up there, administration knows, it's been reported numerous times & they can't even take care of that! Why not take care of major problems such as that, before looking for big money to squander irresponsibly, when these people really don't care about the most important part of the picture...the kids.
Mary Nelson
9:35 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Unfortunately they weren't scare tactics, they were the facts. Come to the Finance & Facilities meeting Friday evening. All of the things that can and need to be cut immediately will be. The other things that are on the list will be phased in as stated because there is no more money. I've been to many board meetings, the board members do care, of the 7 people on the board 3 no longer have children in the district with 1 more having their child gradute at the end of the year. If that's not caring about kids and the community I'd like to know what you would consider caring. The ideas for the changes requested were solicited from community members and remarkably the security changes were recommended by community members with and without kids in the schools. Kids need to learn, have fun, make friends and be safe. With the no vote learning will continues, friendships will continue, they'll be as safe as they are now, not safer but the fun will diminish. Too bad athletics will go away because we've always had award winning teams.
Donald India
10:21 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
I remember. But I also remember that the Illinois Supreme Court determined that D34's raid of SD67, first Golf and then Glenview north of Kraft, was to include HOUSES and left all the commercial property in SD67. But apparently I was wrong in the details and Avon went to SD34 but Kraft and Jennings stayed in SD67.
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But it was difficult to argue against the "Whole Child" concept presented by SD34 who was on a mission to consolidate all GV property for SD34. The Whole Child concept argued that the children in these 2 areas were supported by the GV library and the GC Park District AND their homes were protected by GV fire and other services. Why wouldn't the children go to GV schools.
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Bottomline: The courts agreed.
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This same concept was presented to the Village of MG since there are 5 school districts in MG (67,68,69 and 70 in Niles and 63 in Maine). But NO ONE was interested in consolidation. So our children became friends through baseball, softball and other library and park district activities. BUT NOT thru school activities.
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Foster1234, you are right that Kraft is part of SD67 but if it is knocked down and homes are constructed be prepared (as I wrote earlier today) for SD34 to present the same 1982 argument to have the children attend SD34 school and the PROPERTY move to GV34.
PJEM
10:37 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
The referendums were to address issues that have been neglected for many years. To bad the administrators were not making the correct decisions in years past. I think that outcomes would have been different previous to 2006. I believe that SD 67 should have gone ahead with the operations referendum first. When I questioned the Business Manager and the Superintendent as to the logic of hitting taxpayers with two referendums I received shrugs. When I asked the same two persons about the jump in enrollment over the previous years projections, again shrugs. I just could not vote for giving this leadership the money from the bond referendum, it seems that they have no grasp on the opportunity cost of the present will affect D67's future.
The operations budget was presented in a horrific way. Fear is a good way to sell something if you have an interest in losing something that is important. If your a senior, a parent who sends their child to private school, etc..., it does not work well. The Superintendent did not have a good grasp of the makeup of the community. This was mentioned in an article of the Glenview SD that had their referendum passed.
Several posters have mentioned creative ways to save money. These were mentioned at meetings and were not even considered by the presenters of the referendums.
PJEM
10:47 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
This administration clearly has no plan on how to improve D67 nor how to keep things going at the current level.
I hope the current energy of concerned citizens will show in future meetings. I think everybody will then get a bit more of what they want.
Jeff G
11:00 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
My family and I have had a great experience in the district so far, and appreciate what the teachers and administration have done. I am unhappy with the result, but can understand the various views of the referendum. The KIDS67 group really did an outstanding job helping communicate the issues with the administration. There was a lot of information made available to the general community in various formats. This result will impact some people at the district who will be out of a job at the end of this school year, and I'm sad for that, but school will continue next year, just a bit different.
I do hope the administration does hold more community feedback sessions to gather more ideas which would result in a successful referendum. Having met them during this, I'm confident they will. This whole process started 3 years ago with the district coordinating a community group to work through how to manage the pending budget issues, and the group recommended a referendum. There were many ideas evaluated at those sessions, and many more ideas evaluated since them. Many are similar to those discussed in these forums, and it's impossible to communicate all the iterations. The district came up with the plan for the referendum. No plan is foolproof, so there will always be critics. For those that have an opinion and want to work through solutions, please volunteer to help and be constructive when the time comes, soon.
Thanks for everyone's support!
Adam Kohm
7:08 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Hi Jeff. I hope that you are correct and I must defer to your judgement as you have much more experience with this interaction.
So, EVERYONE, The Board of Education of Golf School District 67 will conduct a Finance and Facilities Committee meeting on Friday, March 23, 2012 at 6:30 P.M. at Golf Middle School in the Board Room. I plan to attend and I hope that everyone else does also. I commend the board for moving so quickly on this.
Foster1234
8:09 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Upon reviewing all of the comments, it is clear that most people believe that there are serious problems with D67 that must be addressed. That is a good first step. The question then becomes what is the best way to address the problems. However, it is necessary to consider only those solutions that are logical and practical. KIDS67 was formed not just to pass the referenda, although that has been its primary focus initially. The focus of the group is to help maintain the educational excellence of D67. I hereby call upon EVERYONE who believes that our kids deserve a quality education to join this effort, whether they voted for or against the referenda. I firmly believe that if you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem. Let's all be part of the solution and engage in an honest and serious dialogue to find and then execute a clear and focused approach to keeping D67 a highly rated and effective school district.
Adam Kohm
8:46 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
I know that up to 15 teachers were given their notice yesterday. Very very sad. Did the board approach the teacher's union to see if there were any options of saving these jobs. For example, agreeing to an across the board pay cut to save the jobs until additional funds were generated? I know other industries do this. I have a pilot friend that has done this in the past. NO ONE wants to take a pay cut, but I don't know if that was even proposed to the union to save the jobs.
Donald India
8:47 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
It is clear that a successful referendum is required to right the ship.
Question is: what is the right amount that the majority can afford?
All interest groups need to be part of the solution: from parents/guardians to those without children to the senior citizens group(s).
Maybe a few leaders will emerge who will put their names in nomination this December for the April school board member elections (if current memebers chose to step down). It would be helpful to have informed candidates next year who have been part of the process.
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With SD67 warning of cuts if the rate increase referendum failed, next school year adjustments must happen "60 days before the end of the school term" per (105 ILCS 5/24-12) (from Ch. 122, par. 24-12). So if the last day of school is June 9, the board must take action before April 10 or every teacher is AUTOMATICALLY rehired. The same practice is usually followed for all non-certified staff members.
Adam Kohm
8:36 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
I'm hoping someone can help me with some historical information.
Back in 1982 there was a court battle between D34 and D67 over the Golf Acres children (about 55). D34 thought that they should be moved from D67 to D34. This was the courts decision and was upheld by the IL supreme court.
Part of that ruling states that D67 would maintain property tax rights over what they referred to as the "detachment area" and in exchange would pay D34 non-resident tuition. That was how things ended in 1982. I cannot find any rulings since then that might change this.
Here's where I need help from people that were involved with this:
1. Does D67 still make payments to D34?
2. What were the tax boundaries of the detachment area? Did it only include Kraft site or did it also include Avon and Jennings? I have to tell you, the village of glenview to this day still states that tax revenue from that avon location goes to D67.
3. If D67 no longer makes these payments, was there a subsequent settlement between the two districts that traded dissolution of these payments in exchange for transfer of the detachment area tax revenue rights?
4. Or was that arrangement temporary. I don't see any info on duration of this arrangement in the ruling.
I have requested a copy of Avon's property tax bill under the FOIA to determine who really does receive their property taxes as of last year.
Anyone with info, please let me know either via posting or at adamk@spltrak.com.
Adam Kohm
8:42 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Names of people (that I don't know) that were involved in the case are:
Frank Vogel
William Hazzard
So, if anyone knows them, can you pass this request on?
Donald India
9:02 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Check this out Adam:
http://www.hyasearch.com/about
Dr. William Hazard, then Professor of Educational Leadership at Northwestern University in Evanston, IL;...; Dr. William Attea, then Superintendent of Schools in Glenview, IL.
Attea was SI of SD34 who spearheaded the SD34 efforts to annex Golf and all Glenview properties NOT in SD34 from Niles SD67, Maine SD63, Northbrook SD30 and Northfield SD31.
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This is the search firm that SD67 paid to find Dr. Girard the superintendent of SD67 that left within the first year.
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Frank Vogel is principal of the Institute For Continuing Education - listed at 2250 E Devon, DesPlaines.
Adam Kohm
9:06 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
THANK YOU! Wow, I should have done a little more research. contacting them now.
Adam Kohm
9:10 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
OK, William Hazard passed away 10 years ago.
Donald India
9:17 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Adam, only the board of education can hire or terminate an employee. AND this has to be done in OPEN SESSION by vote of a legal quorum of the board IN PUBLIC.
Maybe these 15 staff members were given advanced notice of potential board action but the board still has 2 weeks to have the discussions you encourage with the union before OFFICIAL action is taken by the board as a whole. As I wrote earlie:r
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adjustments must happen "60 days before the end of the school term" per (105 ILCS 5/24-12) (from Ch. 122, par. 24-12). So if the last day of school is June 9, the board must take action before April 10 or every teacher is AUTOMATICALLY rehired. The same practice is usually followed for all non-certified staff members.
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UNLESS the board anticipated a failed referendum and passed motions earlier in the month. But there was NO indication of this on the March 15 Board Meeting Agenda. Looks like the board will have to post a special purpose meeting the first week of April since the next scheduled meeting is April 26 per the golf67.net website
Donald India
1:45 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
I did not go back far enough. See SD67 Board Meeting Minutes for February 8:
Reduction in Force Notices – Certified Staff, Non-Certified Staff
In order to comply with contractual and statute requirements, "Reduction in Force" notices need to be issued to anyone who is in jeopardy of either losing their job, or being reduced in hours as a result of a "no vote" on the ballot. The following individuals require such notice. The notices will be delivered on February 10, 2012.
Staff could always be rehired if referendum passed.
Golf student #2
1:07 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Gina,tech won't get you a job because we were building parks.I think when you think of tech you're thinking about typing and computer skills but that is not what we do in tech.By the time that we are out of college Spanish is going to be like the most spoken language in the u.s. beside English.Most colleges want students to take spanish and if they are exposed to spanish now they will do better in high school.ALL are teachers are great teachers that is why they are paid a great amount of money.They actually make us want to learn and we enjoying learning because they make it fun.
Gina
1:17 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Golf student, I am glad to hear you are having a great experience and you are learning. That is the most important thing. Now, they are some teachers that need to retire. Spanish in NOT in demand. Japanese, Chinese, German will help you in the future. If you want to become a lawyer or doctor than Greek will also help you. . The are the languages that will help in the future. I am not Asian. Spanish will help you only if you get a goverment job working for social security or welfare and that is it.
Golf Student
7:41 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
I really don't think building parks with materials is "tech". Do you Gina? We do nothing with computers except looking up pictures to build our park. I'm not trying to sound like I have attitude, I'm telling the truth. Spanish is very important at this age. Tweens and teens travel around the world a lot these days and mostly to Spanish speaking countries like Mexico. Building parks is not really technology to me. I'm sorry for sounding like I have attitude, but I'm just trying to tell you what really does go on in "tech" class.
Gina
2:02 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
To reason and Logic, one more thing. 21 countries speak Spanish, yes. But they all speak different Spanish. So which one do you learn? the Mexican spanish? or they Spanish they speak in Spain?
Golf student #2
11:18 am on Friday, March 23, 2012
Gina,if u learn one spanish you don't need to learn another.Anyone that speaks spanish will understand it.Spanish doesnt only help you for government and welfare jobs.Being a doctor or a lawyer can learn spanish too not Greek.
Kevin A.
2:55 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
I really didn't want to have to comment on this, but I think its a good lesson to be learned by the Golf students:
The lesson is: you can't argue with crazy. Since Reason and Logic hasn't
responded to Gina, I guess he or she has already learned that lesson in life.
Gina
3:04 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
OR DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER.
Adam Kohm
3:04 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Hey, remember back (last february) when there was all the talk of the merger, etc. I seem to remember something about the Park District leasing the land behind Golf Middle School and then something else about a potential option of the Park District purchasing the land from the school.
Can someone enlighten me who actually "owns" the land. I'm guessing it is indeed D67. If so, is it still an option for the Park District to purchase this land? Do they have the money? I'm sure they couldn't pay as much as the car dealership was thinking about, but I think the sell to the PD would be permitted under the terms of the grant agreements. I think their yearly budget is only about 5 million, so I don't see them having enough to pay the same as that private business, but is it reasonable to think they may be willing to at least purchase the fields?
me
3:22 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Adam - I'm assuming that the park district could buy the fields, but once the school sells them they have nothing left. The car dealership and village were going to put together enough money to rehab and add on to Hynes at no cost to the taxpayers. I was at the meeting at Hynes when D'Amico's assistant told the audience the land couldn't be sold. Everyone was dumbfounded. If the park district could do something that sneaky why would they pay district 67 a fair amount for the land? The beauty is in another 15 years the hold will be off and then whatever board is in place will truly have options for the taxpayers of district 67.
Adam Kohm
3:29 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
I get it. I wonder how hard the state was pressed on this issue? Anyone have the contact info of the office that provided the grant and the grant id number? Happy to give them a call. I wonder if someone pleads with that office and offers an option of transferring the park to another location if they would be willing to do it considering if they don't, the state may be on the hook of saving the district. What i mean is using 400K of the sell money to rehab another area so that in the end, the state would have still support the same end. Having had 0% involvement in this, I don't know if the question was asked and the answer simply accepted or if there was a serious push.
Regardless, the state gave 400K. If I have the button to push and the sell of that land could now solve our problems, I would push the button, sell the property and return the grant funds.
I have lots of experience with grants, albeit research grants, but I know there are human beings on the other end of this process that can be reasonable.
Not that we have a buyer in place, but I say we start looking again.
Donald India
4:29 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
At this point I think all input and ideas are welcomed. But this one might have been beat to death last year.
A park was promised when the old Golf School building on Oak Park was demolished/buried. After several failed efforts to build a park, several lengthy lawsuits AND too many YEARS, the SD67 board signed an agreement with the MG Park District who was promised a Department of Natural Resources Grant to preserve open land. The Frank Hren Discovery Park with proper Metropolitan Water Reclamation drainage underground was finally going to be built. The Grant required the land be used for the original purpose for 20 years. If the land is used for other purposes, the DNR does not want its money back but wants comparable acreage in Morton Grove. There is NO 10 acre parcel in MG. So the community dedicated the park in 2010 (2010-1982), 28 years after the original promise.
Now someone might call the MGPD sneaky for entering into the agreement. But then they had a lease/agreement with SD67 in hand with no indication that within 2 months of completing the work and dedication that SD67 would want to sell the property.
PJEM
7:30 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Selling assets, raising taxes. Don't dare talk about a pay cut, a small increase in class size, or think that it would possibly be cheaper to have a person put full time at the entrance to Golf School than to have a structure built. I asked at a meeting if the entrance work and parking lot work would lower insurance costs, again shrugs. Let's have everything at once by borrowing the money. Don't think about offering a tax increase in which some of the money would go for future unforseeable contingencies, e.g. larger populations of students, low interest rates which are now killing the amount of funding to teacher's pension funds. Many others if you use your imagination.
One thing I have not seen from the scare mongers is the most logical. Since salaries are in relations to taxes, why did the Superintendent shrug her shoulders to the question of whether the union has been asked to take a cut. Further, a 10% cut in the salary of a superintendent, two principals, the firing of a business manager (who I believe was hired during the past year) could possibly save a teacher's position. Remember, this is all for the children! Tongue and cheek on the last statement, but if we turn that statement around to the ones who have been using it most I think that more options will arise.
I know several persons who voted "No" to both referendums. I know these persons to be frugal and successful in their fields of work. They volunteer their time and work for the social good.
PJEM
7:39 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
.... It's to bad that people that voted no are viewed as uncaring and not doing what's best for the children. My belief is that there are many other solutions than what is presented by the "Referendum Folks". The "Referendum Folks" believe that they have the best solutions and anyone that voted against these poor options offered are not for, "The good of the children".
I plan to become more involved and I hope many others do too. As I said before, I really hope this energy intensity keeps up, I think everyone will get a little of what they want; what is best for the children, and a lesson in fiscal responsibility.
Golf Student
7:48 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Okay building a new park at Hynes in my opinion was totally a waste of money. We could have used the money to help our school with the leaking, plumbing and so much more. It's more logical to use the money to help the school, not to build 2 new parks.
PJEM
8:40 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
I'll second that Golf Student. My kids will not even consider that an area to play when given the choice. Ever thought about running for the school board?
Golf Student
11:28 am on Friday, March 23, 2012
All I'm doing is speaking the truth and what should have been done.
Jeff D
10:23 am on Saturday, March 24, 2012
John, the reason I try to stay away from these chat boards is " people like you ". John, I have an idea to help you Wake up !! Let's put you thru the school system all over again. Hynes now offers pre- school , FYI, let's start there. Kindergarten is full time so you should be good, I will pay all your lunches, I also will pay for whatever meds you should be on due to your condition. Go to Hynes from Pre- school thru 4th. I will speak with Mrs. Westly personally to get you in. Then get back on these chat boards & THEN give us your comments. From the time you got on the chat you bad mouthed the school district, the towns involved , your neighbors & everyone in the entire school system. You are way off !!!! You are talking about ancient history, only God knows how many years ago. You admitted you had " issues " back then & still seem to have them. Don't you think it was you & your parents at fault, maybe you should re think that. I can't speak for Golf yet, I will be able to next year, but you have no clue as what goes on in Hynes. The entire faculty not only cares but they love our children !! Yes LOVE !! My first grader & my fourth grader get the best of everything while at school. Think before you type / speak & maybe you won't sound so " out there". You have no kids , you don't know what goes on the schools now. You don't know your neighbors, maybe they don't want to know you ?!?! You say there are no block parties, maybe you are not invited ?!?!
Jeff D
10:36 am on Saturday, March 24, 2012
We are at every parent teachers conference for both boys, I go to field trips every year for both boys, I attend every musical event my son is involved in. I PAY FOR HIS TRUMPET . The entire faculty is loving & caring. Look into how well the district ranks, we have top notch schools. If you don't like where you live , guess what you can always leave . We pay to live in this area for a reason , a better education for our children, I know we get it.
As far as the teacher calling kids names , the parents who know the teachers name should be reporting it over & over , not hiding from it. If things went farther than that as stated above the authorities should have been called, but I don' t know if that is ancient history also. Let's focus on today & not decades ago. If there is a problem teacher that is abusive make it point to get the issue addressed , not say I won't mention the name.
Golf student #2
3:47 pm on Saturday, March 24, 2012
Tech was important 2 years ago but i dont know how building parks n making 3D figures on a program is important.
Golf Student
4:24 pm on Saturday, March 24, 2012
I agree.
Golf Student
5:09 pm on Saturday, March 24, 2012
But referring back to Gina's comment about how Spanish is not mandatory and tech is, I thought about it for awhile and I came up with the idea that both tech AND Spanish are very important for the future. And I'm talking about the tech involving the use of Google Docs, research on the computers, etc. Not Inventor 2012 and building 3D figures with materials. Spanish can help with any career because there are a LOT of people in America whose first language is Spanish. I know many people whose first language is Spanish. Everyone is my family who graduated from college took Spanish from middle school and through out high school and college and they have gotten many great job opportunities.
Teacher
11:52 am on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Hello fellow residents..I have been reading your messages on the board and I am honestly happy that the referendum did not pass. I am a teacher myself in another district so I understand the challenges that school districts are facing with finances. The number one cost for ANY and ALL school district are salaries. That is a fact. It is also a fact that D67's teachers have the highest paid salaries in Illinois!! here is a good link to look at what the district pays its teachers and how it compares to other Illinois school districts: http://www.illinoisloop.org/salary.html#ats
You will see on this website, "The 100 highest-paid school administrators in Illinois in 2006 had salaries ranging from $205,590 to $380,227. Here are the 17 who made more than a quarter million dollars for the year: Marks Linda R $316,874 GOLF ESD 67 !" WHY????
Here are the teacher salaries for Golf 67: http://www.familytaxpayers.org/salary.php
This is all public information..get informed!!
District 67 may have been a great school district, and I LOVE our community, but it pales in comparison to other northshore districts (Glenview, Wilmette, Deerfield etc) and those teacher salaries start at about $20,000 LESS than D67s!! Why? The quality of teachers that are at D67 are no where near as good as the other districts. The teacher union is destroying our community! The teachers will never leave because they will NEVER make as much money as they do here..
GOB
12:43 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Hello "teacher". This post seems to be filled with inaccurate facts and outdated information that is useless to the conversation. Why? Linda Marks was four superintendents ago. How does that link help our district now? And can you please provide the salary schedules that show that teachers in Glenview, Wilmette, and Deerfield have starting salaries that are $20,000 less than district 67? My guess is you can not, because I'm pretty sure you made up that statement. Aren't the teachers in those schools that are so much better than ours in unions too? How are they managing not to "destroy the community"? What criteria are you using to compare the quality of teachers in district 67 and those other districts? What are you basing the statement that "it pales in comparison to other northshore districts" on? I would hope you could back up some of these claims, and I'll be interested to see how, or even if you do so. Yes, the referendum failed, and now we need to move forward, AS a community. We need concrete ideas and open minds, not baseless mudslinging. If you're not going to bring anything real and useful to the conversation, then perhaps you shouldn't bring anything at all.
Teacher
12:11 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
We must not let a referendum pass. If anything, the contract should be thrown out and salaries should be comparative to those in neighboring districts and teacher salaries should be cut! Don't forget, we will not only pay their salaries but also their pension which will be based on salaries that are in the 100K range...
How many Golf 67 residents make 100K a year AND get a state pension??
Here is another really good link. Open the files and you will see Niles Township Elementary comparisons.. they have documents that show comparison of student performance, teacher salary, facilities expenses, pupil expenditure etc. and I think you have no problems in voting AGAINST a referendum:
http://www.skokie69.k12.il.us/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=914:niles-township-elementary-comparisons
Be informed! THEN decide. Everything you need to know about contracts are public information. Search the websites or ASK administrators for the info. THEY HAVE TO give it to you. It is YOUR money. Don't let these teacher's unions brainwash you into thinking you don't care about the students if you don't support the referendum...YOU DO CARE!...it is the UNIONS that only care about their OWN bottom line...trust me on this..i'm a member of one (not by choice!)
I hope the best is provided to our students...they are all good kids :)
Christine Aragon
12:48 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Teacher, thank you for the links. Wow. That is really eye-opening.
Teacher
1:42 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
You are welcome! Please pass the information around. Its really important that parents and community members are informed to make the best decision for our community.
Teacher
1:51 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
GOB,
I agree with you that Linda Marks was 4 superintendents ago but this district has a history that we should not forget. As for the salaries, that is all pubic information. You can go to any school district and under their employment or human resource section you will find the teacher contracts and you can see the salaries teachers are paid as well as the stipends they get for coaching or running clubs.
GOB
2:05 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
You are absolutely correct that we should not forget the past, however we should not let it keep us from moving on into the future. We should learn from mistakes, not just keep looking back at them with disdain.
GOB
2:11 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
As for the salaries, thank you, I am aware that they are public information. My questions still remain the same as before. What actual evidence have you uncovered to back up those claims that I had questioned previously?
grandpa
4:48 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
We should also LEARN from the past and have a solid PLAN for moving into the future.
Einstein said that the very definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over and expect different results. It seems as though District 67 has continued to ignore repairs while spending like a drunken sailor on salaries while hoping that things would improve by throwing referendum money at the situation.
Hope is a powerful thing... but it can be misused.
In 1775, Patrick Henry warned, “it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts.”
The ravenous beast is the 80% of the budget used for salaries and benefits. Until that beast is tamed the painful truth is we will continue to face a continually worsening situation
Former Hynes/Golf Student
11:50 pm on Thursday, March 29, 2012
17 teachers with a salary over $100,000.00! Can anyone explain why a librarian is making $130,058.00??? I'm not saying that the former superintendant's salary was not out of line, but she did run two schools, wrote many, many grants for the district, handled 9/11 perfectly & had a very important job, but a librarian @ $130,000.00 +? Does anyone else have a problem with this one?
Nikki Crisan
11:46 am on Monday, April 16, 2012
It is completely outrageous that my daughter will be going to half-day kindergarten instead of full day. 2 and a half hours a day which is less then what she goes to now in preschool. Cutting math and music etc. children wearing jackets in school are you kidding me! We live in the suburbs paying property taxes. Property values will go down and neighborhoods will become unsafe.
Christine Aragon
8:36 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
If anyone is interested in exploring other options for pre-school or kindergarten, St. John Brebeuf School in Niles has full day pre-school and kindergarten. They also have before care and after care if needed. Class sizes are small and the teachers are great. They're having a Fun Fair tomorrow (Friday, April 20th from 6-9 PM). It would be a great opportunity to have fun with your kids. Ask for a tour of the school if you're interested in checking it out. Mention that you read this post on the Patch and get your choice of a free snow cone or bag of popcorn. The school is located at 8301 N. Harlem Avenue (Near Harlem & Main St. in Niles)
Deadcatbounce
2:34 pm on Monday, April 16, 2012
Right from the district website ... Financial Information for Golf SD 67 - IL is currently under construction. Please come back later.
That is sad
Donald India
4:39 pm on Monday, April 16, 2012
My first thoughts were the district was removing the various pre-referenda reports or was completng weekend maintenance. But then I went to golf67.net and the Financial Information is there with all the pre-referenda reports. So try again.
Z
5:08 pm on Saturday, April 28, 2012
As a new homeowner in Morton Grove, I would absolutely support adding nearly $1200 to my annual property taxes, if there were some real checks and balances on the money. (Based upon this article and the numbers provided that is what my increase would be)
Speaking very generically and ignorantly, how a facility can deteriorate to a point that students are allegedly wearing jackets and there are major leaks, and allow for increased pay for teachers/staff that are not based on student performance, is disappointing and backwards.
I am a product of Hynes, Golf and Niles North. The mere fact that my wife and I are seriously considering private schooling is sad to me, considering I had great experiences at these schools. However, I am not going to place my child and future children in schools that make themselves appear to be in dire straits and apparently make piss poor decisions.
Perhaps I need to be more involved.
Christine Aragon
6:07 pm on Saturday, April 28, 2012
Dear Z, if you are considering private schooling, please consider St John Brebeuf School in Niles. They are having an Open House on Sunday, May 6th from 10 am - 2pm. I think you'll be surprised at all they have to offer. It is well worth the money.
KARMA
2:59 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
As a parent who al 3 kids went to 67 I have seen many good teachers and many bad teachers who left their impact on my children both postive but sadly more negative.
As a past board member, I saw this coming, warn the board about over spending on salaries and always stressed to save the money for the school , kids, and not the teachers' wallets and administrations' wallets.
As an educator I teach 15 min away from Morton Grove and MY district does not have these ridiculous salaries, but the lowest, yet we meet AYP every year!! WE have over crowded classes and our test scores are HIGH too
So better paid teachers do not EQUAL better education, it EQUALS wasteful spending and buildings now falling apart.
Maybe these CARING LOVING teachers should have salaries cuts to give back to the school, building repairs and the children if they truly went into education for the love of teaching kids and not making SIX FIGURE SALARIES....I KNOW I DID!!!!
Beth
5:52 pm on Monday, March 4, 2013
First, let me state that everyone who is bashing the teachers and their salaries, to please think for a moment. If any of us were offered raises and great benefits, would we really tell our employers "No thank you. The company has been far too generous and in fact, I would love to give some back if at all possible!" Somehow I think we would all answer no to that. Next, everyone who has commented on this site has only been able to do so because of teachers! They are the reason that we can read and write. Everyone who has a job only has it due to teachers. Who do you think taught all the classes that made us what we are today! We could actually survive in this country without a lot of the professions and jobs that you all work, but without teachers we would just be bumbling idiots! To every single person commenting on this board, I bet there are plenty of people who think that you are overpaid, have too good of benefits and should even be fired! So who exactly do you think deserves the salaries of teachers? Yourself?