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By Lisa Barr
Infidelity is probably the most complicated of all marital subjects to tackle. I decided that instead of blogging just my opinion, I would take this straight to you. I contacted a group of readers -- both male and female -- and here's what they had to say about cheating. For the record, I believe my marriage could not survive an affair. Trust is such a sensitive issue for me -- that if it is broken by someone I love -- repair would be near impossible. However, many couples, especially with therapy, can and do recover from an affair.
Here's your take on a tough topic:
Rick, 43, Dad of 3
Survive an affair? I think the answer has to be YES, but my marriage didn't. Was my ex-wife's affair a total shock that caused the demise of our marriage? NO. Our marriage was in the toilet for years. There was no communication, no passion. We were roommates, and eventually separated within our own home. We loved our children and did everything possible to make sure they were thriving (sports, education, camp, activities, friends, family). We concentrated it seemed on everything for the kids, and our life together was a definite second or third, or fourth on the list.
In our situation, the affair was "the straw that broke the camel's back." I knew she was up to something as her behavior changed. She started taking better personal care of herself, she dressed differently on nights out with her "friends", her cell phone became her "life" (a gazillion texts), her "stories" about her nights out of what she did and who she was with started not to make sense. In the end, it was not overly-complicated for me to catch her as she "stumbled". I confronted her and she admitted it. At first I was willing to forgive her as my first thought was the children. The problem was that every time she went out, I was consumed with the possibility that she was again not being truthful about her whereabouts. The anxiety caused me to lose 20 pounds and impacted my mental health. It came down to trust.
When you can't trust the one person who is supposed to be your life partner and best friend, the damage is done.
The main issue is overcoming "the trust factor". Those who stray, live for the moment and typically don't consider the bigger picture of repairing what is broken. They lose focus. In my situation, too much time spent as roommates instead of "husband and wife" took its toll. When the passion is gone for too long, it is extremely hard to turn on a switch and get it back. The combination of not being partners-in-crime and the loss of trust due to the affair created the final chapter for me and my ex.
Steve, 60, Dad of 2, 2 grandchildren
If I found out my wife had an affair I might hang in, but I just don't know if the relationship would be the same.
So, the marriage might technically survive for financial, familial and related issues. But I'm guessing it's 70/30 against as to whether the relationship that we have would survive.
If my wife found out I had an affair, it would be bullshit. It just ain't gonna happen. I'm not interested, and no one else could handle my craziness.
Liz, 45, Mom of 2
Can marriages survive an affair? This is a great question with answers that reflect the who and why of every individual couple. There’s always a backstory, right? We don’t just watch our spouses jump into dangerous liaisons without reason. Intimacy, insecurity, falling out of love, frustration, finances, the list is endless.
It appears as though the problem is as common for women as it is men, and if you are willing to bare all, attempt to repair and figure out the why, things might have a chance of turning around.
Habitual affairs are a different story. Sleeping with and engaging in relationships outside of your marriage with more than one partner over a period of years is an indicator of something more serious. Watching couples have mutual indiscretions for years without the other one knowing, represents an unfulfilled need that might not be so easy to fix. Unless you can answer the ‘why’ you cannot make it back to where you started.
Whether it’s a nagging wife, a lonely husband, lack of sexual fulfillment, or frustrations with child-rearing, I do not believe the responsibility falls on just one partner. When looking back to examine why people leave, it is inevitable that both carry blame in some capacity.
The spouse who feels completely blindsided, after some pretty deep introspection and a good marriage therapist, will realize that while the indiscretion affected them deeply, they were part of the equation all along. Mutual admission of fault on both sides is important. This is part of their ‘why’ and in some cases, assists in the reconciliation.
But what we haven’t defined yet, is what constitutes an affair? If my spouse makes out, grapples and engulfs a colleague at a holiday party where they are both plastered, does that count? Does it count when my spouse becomes emotionally involved with a friend, where there is sexual tension and mutual admiration? Does it count when there are relationships online? Does it count when a partner outright begins sleeping with another person? My answers to all of these are YES. Some will have their own definition and that’s fine with me, but everyone must clarify in their head and with their partner, how do we define this? Is what you did worse than me? And does it matter?
Can marriages survive an affair? Of course -- but the character and integrity of the relationship before the trouble started is a huge factor.
Mitch, 41, Dad of 3
I truly believe marriages could survive an affair, but more than likely not mine. It has nothing to do with the fact that my wife slept with someone else, but it has to do with the betrayal of being lied to all the time. Unfortunately in my line of work I get lied to every day by pretty much everyone. All I want from my wife is honesty no matter how hard it is for her to say or for me to hear.
On another note, I think the man who gets cheated on walks out of the relationship smelling like roses. Please remember this is only my opinion. I'm somewhat successful, I have a full head of hair. I'm good-looking. I'm a pretty good catch. If you throw in the fact that I'm a Dad who tried to keep his family together, I become a real treat to the women around here. I have friends whose wives cheated on them, and then they divorced, primarily because the wives wanted out -- they got laid like water after! I guess selfishly I would really want that. Yet I look at these people now and I'm a lot happier than they are.
So now I have to go back and change my original comment. I hate dating! It took me 27 years to find "the one!" If she was really contrite and I got to spend a couple of months reaping the awards of her mistake I think I could forgive her.
Jill, 43, Mom of 3
It all depends on "what kind" of cheating it was. If a man or woman goes out to a bar, drinks too much and has a one night affair, I think there's major issues, BUT I think the marriage can survive with therapy and lots of communication.
On the other hand, if a man or woman has an "emotional affair" in which they actually fall in love and have a relationship with someone, then I think the chances of reconciliation are slim. The person has chosen to be with someone else, and that's huge.
Jenna, 40, Mom of 2
Can a marriage survive an affair? Maybe. Maybe not. For most of my adult life, the answer to that question would have been a resounding NO FREAKIN WAY! But, once you add children into the equation, the line becomes very blurry and the page much less black and white. I will tell you that when push comes to shove my answer would most likely still be a big NO WAY, but having been in a situation, in which I believed my husband was cheating made me see that the answer is not always so easy.
A few years ago, after many years of marriage, I thought my husband was cheating. For some reason, one night my intuition kicked in and I got this overwhelming feeling that he cheated. I put on my private detective hat in the wee hours of the night and began my search for the evidence that would convict him. I found enough circumstantial evidence to make my case. While he slept, I made my plans -- granted, I was in full panic mode, barely able to keep my dinner down and pacing the house like a caged animal. Nonetheless, I knew pretty quickly that I could not stay in a marriage with a cheater. I deserved better.
So, for the next few hours, I made my plans. It would be an amicable divorce. I would do what was best for my kids, which was not to turn them against their cheating, dumb-ass father. We would do it right for them. They were literally all I could think about. Planning gave me some kind of inner peace and control. I knew at that moment that my marriage could not survive an affair. I subscribed to the “once a cheater, always a cheater” school of thought.
I am happy to say that it turned out my husband was just a dumb-ass and not a cheater, and we were able to overcome his stupidity.
He definitely made some bad decisions but he did not cheat. He flirted shamelessly but left it at that. It took me years to overcome this little incident -- and there was no affair. I can’t see how our marriage could have survived an actual affair. Once the trust is gone and the shame of being cheated on takes over, I don’t see being able to move on with that person. I would always (and that night did) ask the question, “Why wasn’t I enough?” I couldn’t live with that question going through my head every day.
Brad, 44, Dad of 2
I have thankfully never been in that situation. I do have friends that seem to have moved on, but I know my wife and I could not ... A marriage may "survive" technically, but once the trust is gone, it can never be the same. The marriage that existed prior is gone, so in that sense it CANNOT survive.
Julia, 37, Mom of 2
For me personally? No way. Resentment would boil up like a poisonous brew in a witch's cauldron! Anger would fester like an infected bloody scab. Of course, on the other hand, we've seen one married couple entangled in perhaps the most highly publicized case of adultery in the history of the universe, and they somehow made things work. If Bill and Hillary can patch things up, there's hope for all of us!
Peter, 44, 3 kids
My marriage certainly could not survive an affair. My wife and I have a great relationship. We are absolutely best friends with benefits and are both very protective of our relationship. We try not to spend too much time apart. I try not to travel too much.
I think when a couple is so committed to maintaining such a close relationship, the marriage can’t handle infidelity.
We set the bar so high for ourselves, and wouldn’t be able to readjust to a less intense relationship. I have many friends who have nice marriages, but don’t care to spend too much time with their wives. I think marriages like those may be able to handle some infidelity. I guess what I’m saying is, the stronger the marriage, the less chance of surviving cheating.
Lisa Barr is the editor of GIRLilla Warfare: A Mom's Guide to Surviving the Suburban Jungle (www.girlillawarfare.com), and the author of "Fugitive Colors" (historical suspense/Available on Amazon).
Nonameth Nonameth
4:49 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012
Problem of the western world!
BG Citizen
6:22 am on Tuesday, November 13, 2012
This is rather naive. Hardly a problem isolated to the Western World. The main difference is that the West doesn't put 100% blame on the woman and stone them to death.
Old H.P.
9:13 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Morality is complicated; I would love to tell the Sisters of Loreto that. I think those old gals would uncomplicated things fast.
MARIGOLD
8:25 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
LOTS OF UNGODLY, IMMORAL HUMANS IN OUR WORLD AND WE WONDER WHY FAMILIES IS IN SUCH A MESS...NO GOD IN THEIR LIVES, WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES ON MARRIAGE IT'S NO TWO WOMEN AND 1 MAN OR 2 MEN AND 1 WOMAN...AS HUMANS WE ARE GOING TO HELL IN THE HAND-BASKET, NOT MANY CARES ANYMORE. THOSE WHO NEED DR. PHIL AND OPERA...LOL....LOL. IF YOU ARE UNHAPPY IN A MARRIAGE, THAN GET COUNCELING OR LEAVE, DON'T GO OUTSIDE THE MARRIAGE...FOR THE WOMEN WITH LOW SELF ESTEEM THAT WILL LOWER THEMSELVES TO TAKE ANOTHER WOMAN'S HUSBAND, SHAME ON YOU, SAME FOR THE MEN THAT WILL TAKE ANOTHER MANS WIFE...
Brian
10:54 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Oh man...I never thought of it this way. I guess since my wife and I aren't religious we really need to find some action on the side. Keep in mind, marigold, that there other factors at play when people cheat on their spouses. I don't need God to tell me that I should be faithful to the woman I married.
Stevie Janowski
3:08 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
least you cant marry gays here!
gigi
6:36 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
We all need more Opera in our life: Nabucco, Trovatore, Puritani, Rigoletto. Opera is life!
Procrustes' Foil
4:57 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012
Right on, Gigi! We do need more OPERA in our lives.
MARIGOLD
11:07 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Doesn't Matter what factors at play, Immorality, is Immorality. If you make a commitment to someone then as a human, you must stick to it. If your word is not your bond, then what do you have? BUPKIS. A SHAM, A FARCE. If that is the kind of marriage you have, then its on you all....lol...lol..By all means YOU AND YOUR WIFE GO FIND SOME ACTION...LOL..LOL....I do not see the point, married and seeing other people, not logical to me....I know you don't need God to tell you, I think you need somebody, or something, because your life is a empty shell....Get Help. Having open marriage both cheating, REALLY! That's what singleness is for.lol...lol...iglogical humans, lost souls....
Brian
1:18 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
That's a lot of LOLs you put in there. Hopefully you got my sarcasm...i know it's tough in print form. I was merely stating that without religion in my life, my wife and I are managing to keep our marriage monogamous. You seemed to be implying that this was only possible with God....it's not. You can be virtuous, faithful to others, and a good person without the Bible, Torah, Koran, or any other biblical texts...and surprisingly less judgmental as to how others chose to live.
MARIGOLD
2:02 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Yes, I was Implying that we need God in our lives. If all knows what the Bible teaches, Perhaps, Just perhaps some of us would not live like empty shells, no matter how moral, good people some of us are...There is just such a Richness,Happiness even with all the evil and nastiness of life that money cannot buy. Sure one can live a virtuous, faithful existence with one another, however WITHOUT Spirituality, meaning Jehovah God, = Empty Shells Walking. Don't get me wrong, I applaud you and your wife for keeping your marriage monogamous. Initially, I thought you meant what you said about going out to look for action you and your wife...lol...lol...Morality is important in our lives, or we might as well be like the animals, without unspoken words. Even though animals cannot speak like humans they do understand how to behave if trained to do so. (so not to insult the animals) lol. God made us in his image, above the animals and all things. There are no others like humans in our world. What a joy that is, A GIFT. Life is like a breath, a mist, The Bible says. Look how human behave with each other. There is a commercial for the insurance company says, how life can change when we walk out our doors, if we step left, instead of right. Something to think about? One to grow on.
NOT JUDGING, TO EACH HIS OR HER OWN. There are consequences always to our actions in the end.
Bucephalus
7:58 pm on Thursday, November 15, 2012
The irony of "NOT JUDGING" being followed by "There are consequences" is very amusing.
MARIGOLD
2:07 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Like Joel Osteen says, I am Not Talking About Finding Relegion. "Get In A Good Bible Based Church, Put God First Place In your Life. He Will Take You To Places You Never Been. How True!
Nightcrawler
5:51 am on Friday, November 16, 2012
Is he related to Claude Osteen, who pitched for the Senators and the Dodgers in the 60's?
J.Lyn
12:02 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012
Joel Osteen is a charlatan . After he collects all your donations he will take you to a place you have never been before...the poor house.
Nightcrawler
1:56 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012
Claude Osteen was tremendous in the '65 Series. He stopped the Twins cold in game 3 after Drysdale and Koufax lost their first starts, allowing the Dodgers to be the first team ever to come back from a 2-0 deficit to win the Series.
I don't believe he was particularly religious.
Jack Koenig
2:17 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
According to the ongoing University of Chicago study on sexuality, roughly 77% of men and 83% of women have never cheated on their spouses. I haven't seen the latest edition, but I suspect it's about the same.
About 2 years ago, the very liberal MSNBC ran a study on faithfulness in marriage in an attempt to debunk the U of C study. Their survey included close to 90,000 subjects and came to the conclusion that a full 80% never cheated on their spouses.
So where do you fit into the equation? I'm one of those who felt cheated because I never cheated, regardless how tempting the situation was <grin>. Actually, I would never want to hurt my wife in any way, but especially by cheating on her.
MARIGOLD
2:54 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Actually, I think the percentage of cheaters is much higher. Those studies are not conclusive, because people lie....lol...but God Sees And Knows What We All Do...Enough Said there
Stevie Janowski
3:04 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
If going to strip clubs and an occasional escort or two is considered cheating then I am guilty. My wife realizes I am a playboy and cant be contained no matter what she puts out. She knows I get with a lot of girls, but the fact that she signed a prenup keeps her in my life. Hopefully she isnt reading this but i doubt she even knows what patch is. She can be so clueless. Moral of the story, trophies cost money.
J.Lyn
11:58 am on Friday, November 16, 2012
Stevie, Trophy wives are not known for their intellectual capacity but I hope yours was smart enough to demand an inclusion in the prenup that should you bring home a disease it renders the prenup invalid and she gets it all.
Stevie Janowski
12:09 am on Monday, November 19, 2012
Thanks for the advice J Lyn. Now get back to Huston and win the rockets some games, you Asian super star!
Jack Koenig
2:01 pm on Thursday, November 15, 2012
MARIGOLD said:
2:54 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
"Actually, I think the percentage of cheaters is much higher. Those studies are not conclusive, because people lie....lol...but God Sees And Knows What We All Do...Enough Said there"
What you think and what is reality are two different things. I'll take the ongoing study (since the 1960's) by an intelligent staff of PhDs over anything you can "think" any day of the week.
Stevie Janowski
8:58 am on Friday, November 16, 2012
MARIGOLD is what you call an idiot
Steve Sadin
10:53 am on Friday, November 16, 2012
Patch's terms of service prohibit anything sexually explicit. Please refrain from those kind of comments we were forced to delete.
Dan Arenov
11:16 am on Friday, November 16, 2012
Steve,
you guys are pretty selective about your terms of service, aren't you?
First of all, many of those posts you deleted were not sexually explicit. Suggestive, yes. Explicit, no.
Secondly, this article is about spouses cheating on each other.. what are they doing, Steve? Playing bingo?
Also, i had previously complained directly to an editor about a Patch blogger in Vernon Hills named Brian Dann, who wrote a brilliant piece about how much Mitt Romney hates women, and he offered up this tidbit: "not because it is a women’s place to cook, clean, take care of the kids, and blow there husband."
He was asked to clarify (as he had misspelled other words in this Patch blog), and doubled down on his remark. When i called Patch out on this, they did nothing.
It is still up there today.
So please, either enforce the rules as they are written or just admit that you are playing hardball because one of your local editors (probably the PTA lady, Price) was annoyed with us spinning with some fun on this column about infidelity.
Stevie Janowski
5:31 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012
Dan, where is the link to the libreal bias article? I would like to read it so when I call patch and complain I can site sources. Thanks. Stevie
@Steve you know i really liked you when you were on the lake forest lake bluff site, but now you do this. Come one steve. Lisa Barr writes these worthless articles, and the community lets her have it.
Nightcrawler
5:39 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012
Actually, I thought the "suggestive" exchange was hugely entertaining. You guys could write dialogue for "Desperate Housewives." Sorry to see it deleted.
J.Lyn
11:52 am on Friday, November 16, 2012
MARIGOLD, You are one hot mess. It is exactly your type of psycho babble that is turning people away from the belief in god and the church. Congratulations and good work...you are destroying the very institution you hold so dear.
MARIGOLD
5:49 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012
THAT IS YOUR OPINION, YOU HAVE YOURS IN THE WORLD AND I HAVE MINE....I WILL NOT LOWER MYSELF TO YOUR LEVEL BY DEEMING WHAT YOU ARE....Go talk to Joel Osteen, He have Hundredths and Thousands of followers including myself....SO WHATEVER....You too will have to answer to Him when your time comes.....
Nightcrawler
6:30 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012
Sadly, it appears as if Joel Osteen is not related to the immortal Claude. But they do both look a lot like Gomer Pyle.
Brian
7:31 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012
So I looked him up. Another mega church preacher with no formal biblical education making money off people's religious wants.. He may be preaching good things...I don't know, but nothing like being a charismatic self help peddler to sell more books.
J.Lyn
7:58 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012
MARIGOLD... Your words:" I WILL NOT LOWER MYSELF TO YOUR LEVEL BY DEEMING WHAT YOU ARE". Actually...it is YOU who will have to answer to Him for having such a dark heart. It's your life sister...too bad you spend so much of it in anger and ugliness. If you are capable, take a truly honest look in the mirror. You do not come from a place of love or peace...that is clear to all who read your nasty tone. I do not expect anything other from a bible thumping christian...but you might want to expect more from yourself.
Dan Arenov
9:31 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012
@Nightcrawler. I didn't know about Claude Osteen being part of that Dodger's rotation.. that's good stuff. I only remember him on the Astros and White Sox and then being a pitching coach at the end of his career.
Nightcrawler, if me and you get together, i promise not to wear my WINNING! t-shirt or talk about tiger blood.
(this comment will probably get deleted because of sexual content and the conversation getting waaaaaay off topic)
Stephanie Price
11:55 am on Friday, November 16, 2012
Dan, am I the PTA lady? LOL...I've never been on the PTA. (Oh, and I had nothing to do with this). I did warn you to behave! (maybe that makes me PTA material?)
Stevie Janowski
5:35 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012
" I did warn you to behave" is that abusing your power there stephanie price?
Dan Arenov
9:21 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012
@Stevie. thank you. my sentiments exactly.
Stephanie Price
7:38 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012
No....it's just the conversation was getting waaaaay off subject. It was just a friendly reminder to keep the comments clean and adhere to the Patch terms of service otherwise inappropriate comments - and commenters - will be blocked - not by me by those higher up. I have no "power" Steve.
D'skidoc
7:42 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012
How about blocking the spammy ads that are now appearing in almost every thread?
coachfactory outlet...........
Brian
7:47 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012
You don't want a sweet deal on a purse?
J.Lyn
8:02 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012
Yes...that 900.00 purse will cost you only 749.99 at the outlet. You have to love that kind of bargain !!!
Dan Arenov
9:28 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012
"the conversation was getting way off subject"
Stephanie, have you read some of these other threads here on this Patch site where two or three commenters 'hijack' the thread and take it in a different direction?
This is an article about cheating and infidelity and a few commenters ran with it. There were very few, if any, sexually explicit comments. As a matter of fact, the last comment i made was something like "Bree, i promise not to wear my winning! t-shirt or mention tiger blood"... which was a reference to her name and to Charlie Sheen.
that got deleted. why? because this guy Steve Sadin and the rest of Patch are selective with the rules.
Why don't you guys change the rules to say "no fun allowed"!
Walter White
10:10 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012
I think "serious author" Lisa Barr probably didn't like the way the comments were shaping up and put the kibash on them.
Stevie Janowski
12:07 am on Monday, November 19, 2012
Dan your quote was wrong. she misspelled way. She spelled it "waaaaay" that is way to many A's.
Oliver P. McCracken
9:26 am on Thursday, November 29, 2012
As honorable as this writer's intent was, I believe the wrong question has been catechized. Mayhaps THIS would have been a more suitable query:
Can an AFFAIR Survive a MARRIAGE?
Using my own nuptials as evidence, the answer is a resounding NO. For instance, when I took up with that starlet of the silver screen, Gloria Swanson, Mrs. McCracken did not tolerate my extracurriculars. While I might have been smitten by the Siren's song, the sightly siren could not hold up to my matrimonial consort's Banshee wail.
An admonition to the rest of you wedded rakes, smell out a wiser hiding spot for your Billet-doux than the drawer where your kerchiefs are kept.
Walter White
9:48 am on Thursday, November 29, 2012
Your schtick was funny the first 20 times. Now it's just old.
D'skidoc
9:53 am on Thursday, November 29, 2012
I haven't had my twenty yet.....keep em coming!
Oliver P. McCracken
9:59 am on Thursday, November 29, 2012
Mr. White, I AM getting up there in years, but you needn't rub it in.
And Do-si-Do, I will surely attempt to, though my manservant Middleton's typing finger is old as well, and overcome with the Chalk-stones, so it may take some time.