Readers Debate Morton Grove Sexy-Server Bar

Some saw no problem with 'Tilted Kilt' coming in, while others raised concerns about the servers' scanty costumes and the fact it would be close to homes and possibly be open until 3 a.m.


Morton Grove-area residents expressed a wide variety of opinions in response to a Patch article Wednesday about a Tilted Kilt bar-restaurant proposed for Dempster Street at Lehigh Street. 

Patch conducted a poll on the topic, but the results are inconclusive.

In a lively online discussion, some said the low-cut, exposed-midriff, mini-skirt costumes the waitresses wear would lower community standards, while others said they are no big deal.

Earlier: Scantily Clad Servers In Morton Grove? 

Melissa Albertson said, "My son goes to Park View elementary. Seems Morton Grove is bringing out one fabulous after school program after another. For a while now my son has gotten homework help at the hooka lounge, and now he'll be able to get after school milk and cookies, along with some attentive baby sitting.

Way to go MG. What a way to demonstrate the town's values and moral fiber...."

However, "Palos Park Resident" said, "Love the Kilt, I bring my family there all the time in Joliet. If you have a TV with basic channels, you are getting more of a risque exposure than coming to a Tilted Kilt. The food is great, and love the atmosphere...It is not a strip joint, or a brothel....it is a pub."

Concerns over traffic, increased crime

Others brought up the fact the proposed bar could have an impact on traffic, crime and safety. 

Jeanne Robbie said: "I am not concerned about scantily clad women nor am I an opponent of attracting businesses to our community to increase our tax revenue. What I am concerned about is late business hours, traffic routed down our residential streets and the potential increased crime incidents as documented in police reports in other communities where Tilted Kilt and other like businesses are located, any or all of which could impact the safety and well being of our residents and the feel of our Morton Grove community."

Would it succeed in that location?

Still others wondered whether a Tilted Kilt could be profitable in a quiet area of Dempster near the forest preserves. Sarah B noted: "...it seems highly unlikely that a Tilted Kilt will be profitable in that location, given that Crazy Jaws on Waukegan closed after less than a year... 

"The worst outcome would be that this turns into an ugly fight and the TK goes in over objections but then fails, leaving the village with yet another building sitting empty and not generating revenue. Can't we just skip the battle and put in a place that's suitable for all interested parties--something that would avoid the outrage over inappropriateness and generate the revenue that everyone wants?"

Poll shut down

Patch's poll, which went up on the site Wednesday morning, had about 120 votes by Wednesday night, and they were running about 60 percent in favor of the viewpoint "Yes. The costumes aren't that skimpy, and it will add to Morton Grove's tax base" and about 40 percent for "No. The costumes and atmosphere are not appropriate for a family-friendly community like Morton Grove."

However, Patch polls are not scientific, and by Thursday night, the poll had about 1,257 votes, of which about 95 percent took the "no" position. The poll has been shut down, and results are inconclusive.

My fellow Patch editor George Slefo in Skokie once responded this way to a similar occurrence with a Patch poll: 

"There isn't a limit to how many straws you can take from a McDonald’s counter. There also isn’t a limit to how many Equals you take for your coffee.

"But we know taking all of them is wrong.

"The same holds true when voting."

Glenn Posner June 25, 2012 at 12:41 PM
How about a Mosque?
grandpa June 25, 2012 at 01:23 PM
Morton Grove already has a Mosque, ( so does Glenview). What M.G. needs at that location is an establishment that will add to the sales tax revenue.
Sol Fiske June 25, 2012 at 01:56 PM
This Patch "poll" is completely meaningless; just an artificial way to try to generate controversy and news where there is none. Nothing like stoking the fear for attention. Hey Patch: get over yourselves, there's already enough fear-mongering from state and national politicians, as well as a few community wack-jobs (some of whom seem to be quoted above).
Terri June 25, 2012 at 03:20 PM
Heavenly Massage is close to homes and no one cared about letting them in this town
sherwin dubren June 25, 2012 at 04:43 PM
The switch in the poll results indicates that most residents did not know what was coming. If not for media like Patch, many would not find out about it until ground was broken. Heavenly Massage does not serve liquor. Their employees do not run around in scimpy costumes. They have no where near the customer volume a sports bar would generate. Not long ago, a prostitution ring was broken up in a motel just down the street from the Heavenly Massage. Maybe the massage was just a warm up.
Jennifer Alvarado June 25, 2012 at 04:48 PM
Terri, they don't serve alcohol at Heavenly Massage until 3am. I just had a good mani-pedi there and they do give a good deep tissue massage. Dino is a good business man and keeps his place clean. I'm not against Tilted Kilt, I think it's a fun concept. But then again I'm pretty liberal. My kids see more flesh when they stroll into my bathroom unannounced when I'm taking a shower or at Harrer Park pool. If the food is good and it brings in business, I have no objection. I am sorry that Crazy Jaws didn't make it. I always loved hanging out at Champs when I was single, I wish there was somewhere for the 20-40something crowd to hang out, safely in town, listen to music and have a bite and a beer.
Jennifer Alvarado June 25, 2012 at 04:50 PM
Sherwin, we were thinking the same thing at the same time... I haven't debated with you in a long time, but it looks like we agree today :)
Sol Fiske June 25, 2012 at 06:03 PM
It is unfortunate that Sherwin and a few extremists like him do not believe in freedom of expression....which is a fundamental American right. I may not like the skimpy (Sherwin please consult a dictionary; your spelling mistakes make readers' eyes hurt) outfits either, but that means I have the right to not go there.
DMD June 25, 2012 at 07:22 PM
Although the uniforms at Tilted Kilt are more skimpy. I'd rather have a Hooters instead. Also, Crazy Jaws, which isn't a brand name that people know, sucked!
Red Sam Rackham June 25, 2012 at 10:14 PM
I see plenty of women in skimpy bathing suits daily at the Harrar Pool (a facility open to the general public including children) on Dempster and that's not causing any moral decline in Morton Grove so why get upset about waitress uniforms at a bar catering to an adults only crowd? There are already restaurants on Dempster such as El Sol that serve liquor yet are not causing any increase in crime or danger to the community. Does any intelligent person really believe a Tilted Kilt bar would be a danger to the moral fiber of Morton Grove? Heck no! If anything it might be good for local revenue as well as an alternative to driving into the city for a place to have a nice time on a Saturday nite. Hey! This could also be a fun place to party on such holidays as Halloween and New Years Eve and that'd possibly bring some good revenue into Morton Grove. I say WELCOME, TILTED KILT! I look forward to their grand opening. Let me know when it is. I'd love to stop in for a few beers.☺
sherwin dubren June 26, 2012 at 06:50 AM
Red Sam, Take a look at the picture at the top of this article and tell me these costumes are identical to those you see at Harrar Pool. They are pushing out their boobs and from what I hear their lower clothes are cut to add enticement to the package. What exactly is the attraction of the Tilted Kilt? You can get booze in other places like you mentioned. It isn't the food, as we hear from a patron visiting the Vernon Hills Tilted Kilt that the food is mediocre, at best. The main attraction is the selling of sex, which does not necessarily mean the physical kind. I say, save your beers for the 8 locations in Chicago. Maybe you can talk our neighbors in Niles to take them in. They were glad to take the OTB from us, so they should not have any qualms about this bawdy bar. Hope I didn't upset Grandpa with any spelling mistakes. Maybe he should convince Patch to put in a spell checker for the comments. Don't want to give him any more headaches.
grandpa June 26, 2012 at 04:59 PM
Sherwin, I have no problem with your spelling mistakes, I have a problem with your skewed NIMBY, (not-in-my-back-yard), anti-business thinking. Spelling, however is not my long suit either and I was not the one who commented on yours.
Red Sam Rackham June 26, 2012 at 05:14 PM
Sorry, sherwin, but I stand by my previous comment. What I see in the above photo is no more risque or offensive than anything I see at a public beach or pool on a summer day. And as I stated this place is for the over 21 age crowd so no children will ever see those lovely waitresses that so offend you. Hey! If U find such attire so offensive, U don't have to go there. Personally I look fwd to having a place in Morton Grove that'd be fun to go to on a Saturday nite, Halloween or New Years Eve that would be easier to get to than driving into the city. That's my choice. Meanwhile U are free to participate in the social events of your choice. I have no desire to force my values on you or to limit your entertainment choices. Kindly allow others their choices. If U find a local bar "too bawdy" then don't go there but don't tell me where I should go or what I should tell the village of Niles. We may never agree on this issue but I sure hope my side wins. TTFN ...☺
sherwin dubren June 26, 2012 at 06:57 PM
Sam, even if it were possible, my goal is not to shut down every Tilted Kilt in the Chicagoland area. I just don't want one close to residents and on one of the most prominent locations in Morton Grove. That location would send the wrong kind of message as to the character of Morton Grove. Put your bawdy bar somewhere else where it won't bother people and send out the wrong messages. If you can't see the differences between the Tilted Kilt costumes and those at a municipal pool, I can recommend a good optometris for you.
DMD June 26, 2012 at 09:13 PM
Sam is right about the uniforms being similar to those that you see at pool or the beach. Actually, I see more at the pool and beach than I do here. ie; girls in bikinis. However, Tilted Kilt isn't exclusively 21+. Just like Hooters, they welcome the whole family. Some people have a problem with. Personally, I don't. It's not a strip club, They aren't naked. its a chain restaurant. People eat, watch the game, and drink just like any other restaurant. Morton Grove is lacking in entertainment. I don't know what kind of "wrong message" a place like this would send. .
Red Sam Rackham June 26, 2012 at 09:41 PM
Right on, DMD! Ignorant pompous @$$e$ who are offended by a restaurant/bar with lovely waitresses in provacative outfits don't have to go there. sherwin says Tilted Kilt should open in Niles "where it won't bother people and send out the wrong messages" or "send the wrong kind of message as to the character of Morton Grove." Hey! It won't send any message to those who choose not to go there. Personally I'd rather see a Tilted Kilt in Morton Grove and have self righteous prudes such as sherwin move to Niles if they feel such a place is bad for MG. And as for his idiotic comment about my eyesight, I should point out that I see just fine and also I know how to correctly spell OPTOMETRIST. But on the other hand sherwin is right about the waitresses at TK looking a lot sexier than some of those fat old broads at the pool with their sagging boobs and cellulite; now that to me is way more offensive then anything I'd see at TK.
sherwin dubren June 27, 2012 at 12:30 AM
Sam, you are really displaying your ignorance. I hope some of those so-called fat old broads contact the mayor to voice their displeasure of both this restaurant and idiots like yourself.
Jim Aparo June 27, 2012 at 12:48 AM
Anyone who would go to the Tilted Kilt just to look at the women should evaluate their strategy. I too was worried about the moral fiber of our community. I thought 'We must protect people from the evils of cleavage!' In fact I was so concerned that I searched the internet using the term 'evil cleavage.' Brace yourselves folks, but I learned you can see actual pictures of naked women on the internet! For free! Also, just wondering how many people read '50 shades of Gray' while voting 'No' for the Titled Kilt.
Neal Adams June 27, 2012 at 12:55 AM
We need the Tilted Kilt or our new slogan will be - 'Morton Grove - Chasing Business out of town since OTB!' I fully expect the mayor of Niles to thank MG residents for sending yet another business their way. Yeah, we should be more like Evanston. Quick question -- would our property taxes need to double or triple to make that possible? Or should we all agree that we really don't need police or fire protection?
Jennifer Alvarado June 27, 2012 at 03:42 AM
Sherwin, sorry, but after reading your other posts, I don't agree with you, 100% that is. Yes, I would like new business in Morton Grove and yes I think we could use a sports bar to do just that, watch sports, have a bite and a beer. If it is the TK, so be it, it be best at the Crazy Jaws location. I would much rather see a new library, with a Caribou coffee and a Trader Joe's at the old Maxwells site. But Morton Grove needs some forward thinkers on the board. Handing out business licenses to every Tom, Dick and Harry that comes to town is ridiculous. Dempster street has improved some with help of state funding, but really? It's an eyesore. Look at all the upgrades and improvements our neighbors are making to their towns. Planning and research people...let's get us back into the 21st century puhleeze! Can we also do something about our police station and village hall? I feel like we are in Mayberry when I enter it, it's that outdated. I think we can do better there too. But that's another discussion for another day.
sherwin dubren June 27, 2012 at 04:45 AM
Where did this idea come from that the Tilted Kilt would be the savior of Morton Grove? The village may be in financial difficulties, but putting a sleezy sports bar in a prime location on Dempster is not going to save our day. Maybe holding back on these questionable investments in the Prairie View Shopping Center would be a step in the right direction. I hope Morton Grove is not so desparate that it would accept any business in this prime location. This proposed location is surrounded by residential homes and across from a nice park and pool. Why turn this nice area into a sleezy honky tonk neighborhood? We don't have enough pristene areas to ruin them with this 'Vegas' style sports bar. Yes, even the Tilted Kilt brags that they model their sports bars after these kinds of places. The Tilted Kilt on Dempster would just ruin the whole area.
Sol Fiske June 27, 2012 at 01:30 PM
Sherwin: the irony in your assertions is amazing. What everyone sees in you is your inability to accept any change in the community. You are now well known among Patch readers for having said that you'd rather see vacant land than things you do not like. You do NOT speak for the community, and in fact the community has no one voice, just lots of different opinions. Because your opinions are so strong, why don't you take action? Invest your money to do something on this property. The arm-chair quarterback routine just doesn't cut it.
Red Sam Rackham June 27, 2012 at 02:12 PM
Hey Jim Aparo, love your sarcasm!☺ ... Meanwhile I suspect that sherwin's opposition to TK coming to Morton Grove may be for 1 of 2 reasons; He is actually a she and not a particularly good looking 1 and therefore intimidated by hot looking babes working in MG or he is gay. Just guessing, mind y'all. And Jim, I believe folks who'd go to TK would be going there to have a nice evening out without having to travel too far and not "just to look at the women." After all if we just wanna look at hot babes we can always watch a rerun of Charlie's Angels or 3's Company on TV.
Red Sam Rackham June 27, 2012 at 02:17 PM
The village is already in financial difficulty. Many stores on Dempster have been empty for some time with no one looking to open business in them. Homes for sale in MG are not selling. And I don't see TK as "sleazy" (sic). Like most I just see a nice sports bar with lovely waitresses in miniskirts that would not "turn this nice area into a sleezy honky tonk neighborhood." So sorry that you can't get past your archaic prudish attitude and understand that. I really feel sorry 4 U.
Red Sam Rackham June 27, 2012 at 02:18 PM
Right on. Sol!☺☺
DMD June 29, 2012 at 10:10 AM
Sherwin, no has said that Tilted Kilt is the savior to MG, but it's a start. I don't know where you're getting your reasoning from by assuming that a sports bar like Tilted Kilt would turn MG "sleezy honky tonk neighborhood"? You make it sound like this place is reserved for rowdy bikers on Harleys or stupid drunktards stumbling out the door like zombies looking for trouble. Or that the waitresses strut around outside in their uniforms. Your assumptions just make you sound close minded and foolish. Have you ever been to a Tilted Kilt? There's one in Schaumburg, check it out. Better yet. Go to Hooters. You'll find the same type of people that go here are the same type that go to TGIFridays or Chili's for dinner. I see entire families w/ young children eating at Hooters for a nice family outing, and nothing bad happened!! If you remember, the last thing to occupy that space was....A SPORTS BAR!!!!!! Trackside Tap that had been there as long I can remember. And I was sad to see it go since I had only been there once, very briefly, and wished I gone there more often. Did that sports bar ruin MG? I said it before, MG is lacking in entertainment. Before Crazy Jaws, we had Rivals/Champs for a while, and was there trouble? I didn't witness any. I miss Rivals! I loved that place. Whatever happened to Pequods? Weren't the going to open a new location in the vacant lot next to Gunzos?
Catherine Peters July 01, 2012 at 03:22 PM
Mr. Rackham, do you always call people who disagree with you "ignorant, pompous @$$e$", or stating about a man who doesn't want the Tilted Kilt could be voicing his opinion in the negative because " He is actually a she and not a particularly good looking 1 and therefore intimidated by hot looking babes working in MG or he is gay. " You are a bully of the highest order and should be ashamed of yourself. Why is it that liberals are allowed this type of hate speech and not conservatives? For my part, I believe that Morton Grove can and should aim higher than the Twisted Kilt. Maxwells, which was formerly on that site, was wildly successful, and another restaurant could be the same. I believe that more (sorely needed) tax revenue can be generated by an establishment that is less niche-oriented.


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